Thanks to Mary Drost for this one – Marvelous Melbourne

Great Slogan  –    NO GAIN WITHOUT TRAIN.    This has been obvious for years.   Goes back to the birth of the failed  Government Strategy, the hated Melbourne 2030 brought in by the Bracks/Brumby Government about 12 – 13 years ago.    This plan was to increase the population without increasing infrastructure.   A sure recipe for disaster, just look at the third world cities to find out the result.    Their idea was to build around the  railway stations and use the existing  infrastructure.  They named a large number of centres as Principle and Major  so called Activity Centres, in areas where there were stations, including Doncaster.   But hold on, Doncaster does not have a railway station.  So why was it called an Activity Centre   when it does not even have trams.   OF course it does have a freeway  but then we were told to use public transport and not cars.  No wonder that  most developments  never get off the ground. Obviously cant sell them.

Now there is a new government and a new proposal to solve the infrastructure problem.   The plan is to put a road tunnel at the city end of the Doncaster  Freeway and put the wanted train on the back burner.

Interesting thing about Doncaster is that they had the first tram   – on  Tram Road, going to Box Hill.   Also  the North Balwyn  Tram could be extended to  Doncaster.  Or better still the Freeway was designed to add a train line.

So put the train in first and the toll  road on the back burner.

Which brings us  back to the slogan



6 Responses to “NO GAIN WITHOUT TRAIN”

  1. Arthur Whittaker says:

    The above analogy could be used to explain why Manningham Council’s much vaunted high rise/high density Doncaster Hill strategy and the surrounding lower scale DDO8 are now flagging and hopelessly behind schedule. The authors have ignored the proven basic essential ..A RAILWAY STATION.
    It seems incredible that Manningham Council would progress towards planning without a guarantee of appropriate public transport (TRAIN), especially since Doncaster Hill, a principal Activity Centre, was to be a major part of and vital to government’s grand plan, celebrated as the “jewel in the crown” of their disastrous Melbourne 2030. At a council meeting in 2006, when questioned why it did not seek a “cast iron” guarantee from the state government it would deliver appropriate public transport if the Doncaster Hill strategy was adopted, Council confirmed it was never considered. The then planning and environmental director said; “I don’t think any state government could give that because they are only in office for a short number of years and couldn’t guarantee it would be delivered,” he said.
    Arthur Whittaker

  2. Hillary H. says:

    The estimated cost of up to $1 Billion Dollars and the low expected patronage figures, would appear to be the two main reasons why a station at Doncaster Hill cannot be justified. There is no substitute for a train in regard to speed and the ability to move large numbers. A Bus can carry up to 62 passengers which includes 42 seated, compared to 800 passengers on a four carriage train. Melbourne will have to move towards higher capacity trains, if it is to meet expected demand in the coming years. Especially to service the massive growth and car driven areas such as Point Cook, west to Melton, Wallan in the north and to Baxter in the south. By comparison, Doncaster Hill, with less than 500 apartments delivered over an 11 year period, can hardly be regarded as a growth area.
    Hillary H.

  3. Barbara says:

    I could not agree more with the comments of Mary Drost. Manningham Council has belatedly recognised the importance of rail by forming a dedicated task force and is directing municipal funds towards the lobbying of state government.
    It is well documented that a train line generates development and adds to values. New research from PRD Nationwide found that a median Melbourne house in a suburb with a rail line travelling through it was $618,000, while suburbs without a rail line had a median house price of $570,000. The difference was more significant in Melbourne’s east which showed an average of $105,000 more for a house, with access to train line in the same suburb, compared to those without a railway station.

  4. GAIL C says:

    If growth is to be the criterion for a rail service, it is difficult to imagine how Manningham would have priority over such high growth areas as Point Cook and South Morang. Table below indicates very little change in Doncaster in the five year period between 2006 and 2011. MANNINGHAM Bulleen: 46,248 (2006) to 46,740 (2011) increase 1.07%, Doncaster: 48,637 (2006) to 49,374 (2011)increase 1.52%, Warrandyte: 56,588 (2006) to 58,110 (2011)increase 2.69%.
    LARGEST AND FASTEST POPULATION GROWTH IN VICTORIA ABS data in the 12 months between June 2011 to June 2012
    South Morang 44,800 increase 5,900 change 15.3%, Point Cook 37,500 increase 4,100 change 12.2%, Tarneit 26,000 increase 3,600 change 15.8%, Craigieburn 38,700 increase 2,900 change 8.2%, Epping 30,300 increase 2,300 change 8.3%
    Gail C. Doncaster

  5. Jill says:

    The City of Manningham is the only municipality that lacks any form of rail or tram access. This has placed the region at a competitive disadvantage due to the lack of any fixed rail infrastructure. Based upon public transport modal share data, it is clear that existing services within Doncaster and Manningham are not meeting community expectations. Modal share in Manningham, (with only buses) is only 7.3%, significantly lower than neighbouring municipalities such as Whitehorse (with trains, trams and buses) at 11% and Banyule (trains and buses) at 10.6%.
    A railway station on Doncaster Hill was not included in the latest of the studies because the slope, from any future freeway rail line, up to DH, was deemed to be unsuitable for trains. An extension of tram 48 from Balwyn should now be reconsidered to help solve our local transport needs. While it may be impractical for some city bound commuters, it would be a symbolic connection to the wider Melbourne metropolitan tram network. Not to mention a more direct option for Park/Ride commuters from North Balwyn and Doncaster and to and coming from Kew and Hawthorn, where various sports grounds and private schools such as Xavier College, Methodist Ladies College, Trinity Grammar and Ruyton Girls School are situated.
    A council commissioned report had advised against a Tram service stipulating that Doncaster Road was too steep for light rail, which was surprising, given there are so many areas throughout Melbourne with much steeper gradients such as sections of Riversdale, Maribyrnong, Glenferrie, Burwood and Burke Roads, easily negotiated by the old green tram.


  6. B Harris says:

    State Government has clearly favoured a bus solution for Doncaster Hill. Manningham council have been told they will gain nothing by “perversely tugging in other directions” A railway station on Doncaster Hill was not included in the terms of reference for the rail study, according to Yarra City consultants who are doing the research. phone 92055733 or email
    B Harris

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